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The Time MeddlerEdit

I din't get to watching it yet, but wasn't it the Monk's TARDIS? All the wikis i've seen state that Master first appeared in Terror of the Autons so it wouldn't make much sense if his tardis appeared 2 doctors before his first appearance really... Adamstorm64 (talk) 17:04, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Adamstorm64: I ought to warn you that you're walking in a minefield. The matter of whether or not "Terror of the Autons" was that Time Lords first appearance, or merely his first appearance under the name "Master", is a very highly contentious one. See, for example, Are The Monk, The War Chief and The Master all the same person? Over the years, there have been many ill-tempered disputes about this & it takes very little to set off a further bout. I won't tell you not to get involved -- but I will advise you to make sure you know what you're getting into before you decide to get involved. --89.241.214.215 20:33, September 10, 2015 (UTC)


The existing answer by 197 is POV-pushing in clear violation of this site's policies, especially DWA:CONTRO. The question is ambiguous, anyway, & no appropriate answer can be given until the asker clarifies what he/she intended to ask. I've therefore tagged the question as needing clarification. --89.241.214.215 21:22, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so... even if he was called differently, they did ask for The MASTER's tardis, not the monk's, not the war chief's. It's like asking for the 11th doctor first companion. You wouldn't say Susan, just because the Doctor is one single character. You'd say Amy because it was Matt Smith's first companion. Also it's a freaking new who noobie, not some fan theory fanatic. just saying. Also according to tardis wikia, the roleplaying game, which is the only source of that theory was incostistent with the whoniverse in many things. So it's just BS really and shouldn't be considered canon imo. Adamstorm64 (talk) 21:39, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Adamstorm64: First, please avoid deleting or overwriting existing contributions when posting yours. The software's meant to ensure you can't do that by accident but it occasionally happens. You removed my 2nd message (presumably unintentionally) & I've now restored it.

Second, the question is ambiguous, for the reasons given in the Clarify tag.

Third, apart from ambiguous wording, the asker has done nothing wrong but 197 most definitely has done something wrong. That has been reported to the site's admins & they'll decide how to deal with it.

Fourth, I wholeheartedly agree with you that "they did ask for The MASTER's tardis, not the monk's, not the war chief's." I'm tempted to say, "Tell 197 that," but I think it best for all concerned to leave it to the admins to tell 197 whatever they decide 197 needs to be told. --89.241.214.215 22:14, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Additionally, whatever you & I think of the RPG (& we seem to think very much the same about it), this site does not attempt to decide what is & isn't canon (see DWA:NOCAN). 197 is quite free to accept the RPG, if he/she so chooses. What neither 197 nor anyone else is free to do is to push his/her POV as if it were the one & only "Truth". 197 is acting wrongly in stating as fact in an answer that the Monk definitely was an incarnation of the Master. You or I would be acting wrongly if we were to state as fact in an answer that the Monk definitely wasn't an incarnation of the Master. The matter is controversial & both sides need to be stated fairly -- if, of course, the controversial matter is relevant at all. --89.241.214.215 22:27, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

P.S. See Doctor Who Answers:Contact an Admin#More POV-pushing by 197.88.60.232 for my message to the admins. --89.241.214.215 22:37, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Regardless of the wording or the controversy, it is highly unlikely the asker wants to know about the monk or war chief. This is obviously a purposeful POV push, and thus 197 will be blocked for a few days. DarthKnah  Talk 03:09, September 11, 2015 (UTC)