Question is fair gameEdit
I overrode Master's deletion tag on this one. It isn't vague because "the library quiz" is the wording used in the warning box, and the fact the question was asked means the warning is being read by some users, at least. It's fair to explain what we're talking about an why certain questions are currently banned. 23skidoo (talk) 13:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I'd say Master of Spiders was right to tag the question but wrong in the reason he gave for doing so. It's not vague but it's a question about site policy, so it really belongs in the Policies and site running forum, rather than in the Q&A part of the site.
It certainly is fair to explain the situation & we should do it in the forum, where supplementary questions can be asked by any users who're not clear about our explanation & where comments can be made about how to deal with similar situations in the future. We were effectively forced to make policy "on the hoof", this time. Next time, we ought already to have discussed it & decided (a) what to do & (b) how to explain what we're doing.
Personally, I think our policy -- don't help the cheats -- is the right one. It hasn't been subjected to proper discussion, though, because we were caught by surprise & had to react. Now we know the situation can arise & may therefore recur, we should consider it & (if necessary) add a policy statement about it. Thereafter, when such questions are posted, we can refer to that policy statement as a way of explaining that, as a matter of principle, we won't help cheats -- nor will we help people to avoid engaging with DW. (The quiz, after all, is trying to encourage people to engage with DW, which is an objective we're supposed to share.) --126.96.36.199 14:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
- The only problem is no one is going to go to the Policies and Site Running Board. It's hard enough getting folks to use the search feature. I think there should be an exception in this one case because maybe, just maybe, it might result in some people not posting the quiz questions. I'm not going to start an edit war over this, but I'd hope you'd reconsider the deletion tag (or the admin who actually does the deletions) on this one occasion. I do agree 100% that a policy should be discussed, but right now it's easier to just say such questions are banned (which they de facto are) as that's the term the kids will understand. 23skidoo (talk) 14:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
- Now here's the thing. When I first saw this question, my first thought was about "Silence in the Library". I also thought about the library in the Eighth Doctor's TARDIS. Third up was the quiz that others have assumed that the question is about. There may easily be other interpretations. Therefore the question is unclear and vague. Only if we take it for granted(and that's a pretty big 'if') that they're asking about a specific quiz on the Site Policies(which most people don't seem to even read...) can we come to the conclusions that 23 has. The question should be tagged for AfD either way, but the "vague"/"unclear" reason seems to be the correct reason for tagging it for AfD. Master of Spiders (talk) 16:40, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe we should just answer it by saying, "If you don't already know what it is, you don't need to know what it is." :) --188.8.131.52 17:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I think Imamadmad has sussed out a compromise. Keep it tagged for deletion, but let's simply not delete it until a later date, such as when the library quiz questions start fading out. The fact we're seeing a new wave probably means some library has added the quiz to its summer reading program that kicked off with the end of the school year. 23skidoo (talk) 13:45, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
- PS I just did a minor rephrasing of the question to make it potentially easier for someone to find in a search. 23skidoo (talk) 13:51, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
A follow-up suggestion. Let's let the question sit until a certain date and then we can revisit and decide if the time has come to delete it. My suggestion is end of August. I've noted that no one else (as far as I know and I've checked this site fairly regularly) has asked the question again. I don't know if that means people are searching for this answer and finding it, or no one cares. On the other hand, the "quiz warning" was removed from the page in lieu of the more-important warning about the leaked scripts so the IPs may simply not be aware there's any issue at all. 23skidoo (talk) 01:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)