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Question is not clear Edit

The question was posted with lower-case "silence", so it needn't be referring to the Silence organisation. The phrasing of the question makes it unlikely that it is referring to an organisation, as that would be like asking "When is the United Nations"? It's phrased as if asking about an event -- an occurrence of silence (absence of sound). If so, it doesn't say which occurrence of silence it's asking about.

If the question is to be retained, it needs to be rephrased to indicate which sense of the word "silence" is meant. In the meantime, it should be tagged for deletion because it is too vague. -- 10:58, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

It's perfectly clear what the question is asking. It's just that no one has been able to come up with an answer yet. The Silence are an organisation that appeared in Series 5-7. The question is asking when they are. This is tricky, as we know they existed druing the 20th Century. But, when were they formed? How long did they exist for? Unless someone has a definite dating system for the relative dates when Time of the Doctor is set, this one may have to be placed under "Unknown". But not knowing the answer doesn't invalidate the question. Master of Spiders (talk) 12:04, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

As I said, it is very far from clear that that is what the asker of the question meant by it. Your own comments show that you don't know what's being asked. You don't know if it means "When was the Silence founded"? or "When was the Silence active"? or "During what time period(s) did the Silence exist"?

I agree that, for all these questions, there is a problem of actual dating. The point here, though, is that we don't know what is being asked. Even assuming you're right that capital "S" Silence is meant, we don't know clearly enough what's being asked about it.

As far as I can tell, you're assuming that the intended meaning of the question is the last of the above possibilities, "During what time period(s) did the Silence exist"? If so, you ought to rephrase the question accordingly -- and hope that the original asker agrees with you. -- 12:30, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Er, it is clear what is being asked. As was shown.  How about "When is the time war?" or "When is World War II?" In each case, it's asking about the duration(and relative Earth years) of its existence. I brought up Time of the Doctor, as here we see the origins of the Silence. If someone knows at what relative point in Earth history that happened, then that's the answer. I'm sorry you can't understand the question. Master of Spiders (talk) 12:45, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Both the time war & World War II are events, not organisations. The cases are not parallel. "When is the United Nations"? is a parallel case & the question doesn't make sense. -- 14:06, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

It makes perfect sense to me. It no doubt makes perfect sense to the person who asked it. Again I'm sorry if you can't understand it. Master of Spiders (talk) 16:19, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

What is inside TARDIS? was probably clear to the person who asked it, because that person knew what he/she had in mind. That didn't stop you tagging it for deletion as "too vague, needs to be more specific". It is too vague, no matter how clear it seemed to the asker. -- 16:52, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

That was vague, in the sense that it had multiple meanings. Just like all the "longest running" questions. In the context of Doctor Who this question can only mean one thing. Master of Spiders (talk) 04:06, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

"In the context of Doctor Who this question can only mean one thing." You could say the same about When did he steal the tardis? but you still tagged that for deletion, too. It seems that your insistence that When is the Silence? is clear but When did he steal the tardis? is not clear has nothing to do with the clarity of the questions themselves. I won't, though, speculate about your private motives for treating them so inconsistently. -- 05:19, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's not inconsistent. "He" could be anyone. And even if we're talking about the Doctor(a big assumption), "he" has stolen the TARDIS more than once. Then, there's the relative "when", such as "How old was he?", "What was the relative Earth year?", "Under what specific circumstances" etc.

Meanwhile, the Silence is one thing. "When is the Silence?" can only mean one thing. While "When did he steal the TARDIS?" means a variety of different things. Master of Spiders (talk) 07:21, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

The problem with "When" is much the same for both questions.

"In the context of Doctor Who", a perfectly reasonable answer to "When is the silence?" would be:

In "The Vampires of Venice" at about 46 minutes 30 seconds (Region 2 DVD box set of Series 5).

Your interpretation is a possible meaning of the question but it is not the only possible meaning. Similarly, a relatively new fan might see only one possible meaning in "When did he steal the TARDIS?". Based on (say) Series 5 onwards, it's obvious that "he" must mean "the Doctor" but that's based on a limited understanding. You & I both think "When did he steal the TARDIS?" is too vague. That's not because we don't understand; it's because we can see the other possibilities. -- 08:27, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

As you yourself say, it's obvious to some people who "he" is, but not others. Therefore such a question can't stand.

Now, what actually happens at that point in Vampires of Venice? Master of Spiders (talk) 14:23, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


It's the point where the sound suddenly stops, just after Amy has gone into the TARDIS but while Rory & the Doctor are still at the door. From the transcript:

(Suddenly, Venice is empty of people.)
DOCTOR: Rory, listen to that.
RORY: Er, what? All I can hear is silence.
ROSANNA [OC]: There were cracks. Through some we saw Silence and the end of all things.

(End of episode)

It's not just minor cessation of the usual sounds but a very significant incident in the Series 5 Silence arc. In other episodes, at about the same point, we saw one of the cracks. That was the only occasion when we heard (if that's the right word) silence.

Please note that I'm not saying this definititely is what 174 meant. I'm saying it's one possibility. Your interpretation is another. The point I'm making is that what matters is what 174 knows he/she meant. The purpose of tagging the question was to alert 174 to the need to make it clearer to us what he/she meant.

As I've explained a few times, to various people, the best outcome of tagging a question as unclear is that the asker (in this case 174) clarifies the question; actually having the thing deleted is a very poor second-best. The objective is to tell the asker what he/she wants to know, not to interpret the question so that we can give an answer we want to give. -- 15:06, May 1, 2014 (UTC)