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  • Solitract "My own from is endless"

    Doctor "But if you do this I promise you and I will be friends forever"

    That whole scene made me feel special like you wouldn't believe .

    Thank you 13 for making me feel special .

    I have been waiting my whole life to feel that special .

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    • It was a weird episode. Very odd places to go. I am glad it exists though. It’s not amazing, but it tries something new, and I appreciate the imaginativeness of it. I like that more experimental feel to much of this series in general. Not every experiment will work, but you don’t know what will work until you’ve tried it!

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    • Also was anyone else hoping that the consciousness thing would turn into River when left alone with the Doctor? I mean, since it has the habit of appearing as loved ones who have since died, why not show up as the Doctor’s wife who, not so long ago, was said goodbye to for the last time?

      Look, I know it can’t work within know continuity, but I really want to see what would happen if River met Thirteen!

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    • Imamadmad wrote:
      Also was anyone else hoping that the consciousness thing would turn into River when left alone with the Doctor? I mean, since it has the habit of appearing as loved ones who have since died, why not show up as the Doctor’s wife who, not so long ago, was said goodbye to for the last time?

      Look, I know it can’t work within know continuity, but I really want to see what would happen if River met Thirteen!

      This series is basically a new era for Doctor Who. River Song appearing there would have confused the hell out of new fans (I mean I guess that frog had a similar effect, but it was meant to have that effect on everybody so it didn't just alienate newer viewers). Also, meeting River and meeting an entity that took on the form of River are two different things. The Doctor didn't have much of a reason to react in an emotional or in any other way interesting reaction, and the entity no longer had a reason to take the appearance of a person the Doctor cares about.

      For me the frog was an absurd but satisfying way of subverting my expectations, much like the Pting.

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    • Imamadmad wrote:
      It was a weird episode.
      It's the type of weird that I like .
      Imamadmad wrote:
      I am glad it exists though.
      I am also glad that it exists .
      Imamadmad wrote:
      Look, I know it can’t work within know continuity, but I really want to see what would happen if River met Thirteen!
      The frog mentioned something about dreaming of the Doctor , there's nothing stopping you from dreaming about that scenario . 🐸
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    • I loved it! I didn't enjoy most of Series 11, but this was the one gem of the Series to me. I wish they still did 'Volume' collections so I could get that story on DVD, because I don't want to have to buy the entire box set of a series I mostly don't like just to get one story I do.

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    • Also, did this feel like it could have worked as a Christmas special to anyone else? To me it sort of had the feel of one, despite having nothing do with Christmas. Shame there's no actual Christmas special this year.

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    • 2001:8003:2E70:7B00:F132:D944:244:E212 wrote:

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      Imamadmad wrote:
      Look, I know it can’t work within know continuity, but I really want to see what would happen if River met Thirteen!
      The frog mentioned something about dreaming of the Doctor , there's nothing stopping you from dreaming about that scenario . 🐸

      Very true.

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    • NightmareofEden wrote:
      I loved it! I didn't enjoy most of Series 11, but this was the one gem of the Series to me. I wish they still did 'Volume' collections so I could get that story on DVD, because I don't want to have to buy the entire box set of a series I mostly don't like just to get one story I do.

      I think Series 11 has more going for it than only this one episode. The opener, while not the best ever, was pretty good. "Rosa" was excellent, though very uncomfortable to watch because of the subject matter. "Demons of The Punjab" was pretty good, too. Both "Kerblam!" & "The Witchfinders" were at least OK. Several of the episodes could have been better, admittedly, but none has been an outright disaster.

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    • To address the frog not turning into a past character, there are two reasons it didn’t. The real world reason is that, as Zoom quite tight rightly pointed out, that this Series is aimed at new viewers, so that would have been I cknfusing for them. The in-universe reason is that it don’t need to. The mirror people took those forms out of necessity, to people in, not for fun. Since the Doctor already knew what it really was, and was (as far as the Solitract knew) trapped there forever anyway, it had nothing be gained by mocking the form of, say, Susan or River, and showed the Doctor its true form as a mask of trust and respect.

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    • 89.242.136.59 wrote:

      NightmareofEden wrote:
      I loved it! I didn't enjoy most of Series 11, but this was the one gem of the Series to me. I wish they still did 'Volume' collections so I could get that story on DVD, because I don't want to have to buy the entire box set of a series I mostly don't like just to get one story I do.

      I think Series 11 has more going for it than only this one episode. The opener, while not the best ever, was pretty good. "Rosa" was excellent, though very uncomfortable to watch because of the subject matter. "Demons of The Punjab" was pretty good, too. Both "Kerblam!" & "The Witchfinders" were at least OK. Several of the episodes could have been better, admittedly, but none has been an outright disaster.

      Yeah... I’m sorry but I’m gonna have to disagree with you there. Demons was good, but would have been pretty forgettable if it aired in, say, the Capaldi era. It’s only noticeably good because of how low-quality everything else was. Same with Witchfinders. I also despise both Rosa and Kerblam! The first and final episodes were also both mediocre. Everything else was absolutely awful IMO. That said, I would probably LOVE Demons if it weren’t for the utterly pointless inclusion of aliens. Like, if it were a pure historical the plot would not change. You could take the aliens out of the story and nothing would change. Indeed, you could insert them INTO virtually every work of fiction that features at least one death, anything from Harry Potter to James Bond, and the story would be unchanged.

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    • NightmareofEden wrote:
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      I would probably LOVE Demons if it weren’t for the utterly pointless inclusion of aliens. Like, if it were a pure historical the plot would not change. You could take the aliens out of the story and nothing would change...

      I have to agree that the Thijarians (the aliens) served no real purpose in that story. It's just that I don't mind their unnecessary inclusion as much as you seem to.

      However, I can't help thinking that they could have served a useful purpose. If the Thijarians had decided to help the Doctor & her friends to save Umbreen & the others, that co-operation between very different species would have provided a strong contrast with the hostility between very similar humans, thus reinforcing the central point of the story.

      They ought either to have been left out entirely or to have been given a far greater role.

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    • P.S. The fact that the Thijarians were shown as honouring people of species other than their own may have been meant to provide the contrast I referred to. If so, it was far too weakly done.

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